“‘But Lord,’ Gideon asked, ‘how can I save Israel? My clan is the weakest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my family.’ The Lord answered, ‘I will be with you.’ (Judges 6:15-16)
I was never a big fan of the big-hair stable of televised Christian ministries, but I do have one radio favorite, the Wavering Between Two Opinions show on WOMP 104.3. Here’s the transcript from a recent episode:
LW: Good Saturday morning, and welcome to the Wavering Between Two Opinions hour. I am Luke Warm alongside Rebecca Tanglewood, aka Ms. Interpret. Hey, Rebecca.
RT: Good morning, Luke. And let’s get right to the mail. From H.G. in San Francisco, H.G. says:
Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve noticed an uptick in the number of books from the Left Behind series listed on eBay, and especially entire boxed sets. Is something happening? Could this be a sign of the end? And related to that, if it is, I have mixed feelings about putting my complete set on eBay. I mean, is it right to bid up the price when we know something we’re concealing from potential buyers?
RT: Well, H.G., as to your first question, I don’t know if it is, but if it is, then profiting from a book sale is the least of your worries.
LW: Thanks, Rebecca. On today’s show we’re talking to Trey Beaufort, the creator of an exciting new app called Your Call, and he joins us by phone this morning from South Carolina. Thanks for taking the time to share with us Trey.
TB: Thanks for having me.
LW: OK, maybe you can clear up something for me, Trey. On your C.V. you are listed as Billy Ray Beaufort. But your name is Trey Beaufort? What’s that about?
TB: Well, Luke, I’ve spent nearly all my life in South Carolina. And Billy Ray sounds too . . . well, like a good-ol’-boy, too NASCAR driver-ish, or maybe a deputy sheriff. Skye was already taken, so I picked Trey. Sounds more like the way I want to be seen—more authentic.
LW: More authentic? But you changed your name. Your real name is Billy Ray. Isn’t Billy Ray truly authentic?
TB: No, it’s Trey. It’s right there in my Twitter handle–@imtreynowok? That’s what it says.
LW: Hmmm—OK. Well, you’re the creator of an app that is getting a lot of attention in certain circles, Your Call. Tell us about that, Bil—er uh—Trey.
TB: Well, since college, I’ve felt that the church is not recognizing the cutting edge which is the digital technology that is changing the way we work, find services, order takeout, even find a nanny or babysitter. There’s Care.com, Home Advisor, Uber Eats, the whole phenomenon has just exploded.
So, I thought, why can’t we harness that for recognizing the spiritual gifts and callings in the church?
Plus, my parents were giving me the hairy eyeball about getting out on my own, you know, leaving the nest.
LW: You mean you’re living with your parents? But Bil—uh—Trey, you’re . . . your C.V. says you’re 28!
TB: Student loans, dude. They’re crushing me. You have to walk before you can run, right? So for now, it’s me and Winsome and Nuance, my two cats.
LW: Well, anyway, tell us about Your Call.
TB: Right. Well, it’s all done through the app: questionnaires that locate you on the doctrinal spectrum; assessments of your personal strengths and weaknesses; what are your passions; what would you like to be doing in 5 years, 10 years, and so forth; do you want to marry, have a family? which Christian celebrities do you identify with or prefer not to be associated with?
LW: Well, it seems to me that some of this is supplanting the ministry—and the prerogatives–of the Holy Spirit. Disciples are followers of Jesus, after all. I mean, you haven’t mentioned God at all.
TB: No, no. It’s your call, see? It’s what God wants you to do. Once your profile is created it gives you a timeline, suggested resources like Bible colleges, seminaries and other training, it all goes back to—
LW: . . . back to an algorithm?
Does the your in Your Call refer to the unique calling that God has on your life, originating from God, or is everything about Your Call stem from your will, your preferences, your . . . does it all come from you?
This makes me think of the conversation Moses had with God, the back and forth, where he kept coming up with “What if . . . ?” scenarios, until he finally said, “O Lord, I have never been eloquent, neither in the past nor since you have spoken with your servant. I am slow of speech and tongue.”
God was calling Moses to be a deliverer, and promised that his abiding presence would overcome all of Moses’ self-conscious fears of inadequacy. Moses actually made God angry by pleading inability.
In fact, many biblical callings are counterintuitive: David was the youngest son of Jesse, Gideon from the weakest clan and the least of his family, Deborah the prophetess leading Israel, Ruth from Moab, Saul the persecutor or the church who became Paul. What would Moses be doing if he used your app?
TB: Funny you should say that. I plugged in some answers to the questionnaires and he would be . . .
LW: . . . an app developer living in his parents’ basement?
TB: No, no. Look I’ve had over 4000 users of this app. There were 12 users channeled into short- and long-term missions; 27 into Christian education; 43 for Christian non-profits . . . and 3918 for recording artist/start a Christian band. This app gets results.
LW: We’ve got to go to break. The app is Your Call, the developer Trey Beaufort. Download available for all devices. It just might change your life . . .